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Old 01-30-2007, 06:29 PM
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just watched the movie.. i'm so angry.. what a joke, we could all be driving these cars around right now. hybrids are a joke next to the zero emmisions of these cars.. :-(
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From what I've seen this is the way GM is going.

http://www.prdomain.com/companies/G/...0071838357.htm

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The Volt can be fully charged by plugging it into a 110-volt outlet for approximately six hours a day. When the lithium-ion battery is fully charged, the Volt can deliver 40 city miles of pure electric vehicle range. When the battery is depleted, a 1L, three-cylinder turbocharged engine spins at a constant speed, or revolutions per minute (rpm), to create electricity and replenish the battery. According to Lutz, this increases the fuel economy and range.
I still think every one needs a bicycle and a city bus stop on their street.
And let me be a rebel. Gas should be so expensive only a lunatic would buy an SUV.

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Old 01-30-2007, 08:58 PM
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I still think every one needs a bicycle and a city bus stop on their street.
And let me be a rebel. Gas should be so expensive only a lunatic would buy an SUV.
housefinch, u have inspired me to attempt riding my bike to work, 16 hilly miles one way, atleast once a week this spring! have my bike already to go and switched out my off road tires for street treads... i'll let u know how it goes!

as for the quote... the true EV-1 had over 100 mile range on one charge! and that was with an outdated battery! with the newer lithium batteries they were predicting well over 200 mile range! that is more than 90% of people drive in one day.. the average miles driven per day in the US is only 29!!
frustrates me to no end! that means 100% zero emissions for these cars!
plus charging them off hours or with alternate energy.. grrrrrr
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Old 01-30-2007, 09:26 PM
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people talkin bout E85... save the corn for food!!! with these cars we wouldn't need ethanol and could cut our foriegn oil dependency in half! sorry.. i'm just absolutely amazed, annoyed, depressed, and FURIOUS about this.
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:30 PM
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i'm still fuming! how did this happen?!?!?! the sollution to so many of our problems.. air pollution, burning of fossil fuels... was here and gone!
why why o why does everyone continually sell out to the all mighty dollar?!

ok.. i'm done
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I know i know... that's why I won't buy a GM car EVER... I'm sticking to honda and Toyota yes they're not north American cars but they're doing more in terms of the future... i can't wait for the plug in hybrids to come out...

i still can't believe the us is pushing hydrogen cars so much when it takes 5x more energy then you get out... argggg
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hey everyone, i sent GM an email saying how angry i was about what they did to the EV-1.. here's the email i got in response:
Customer Relationship Specialist: Carol Bella

Dear Mr. Borowski,

Thank you for contacting the General Motors Customer Assistance Center. We
appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to your concern.

We appreciate you advising General Motors of your concerns and providing us the
opportunity for review as we recognize individuals have many different views.

In 1996, GM’s EV1 was the first big breakthrough towards reducing America’s
dependency on fossil fuels. It was a great technology for its day, a great
concept and a great car. GM was and is proud to have brought the electric
vehicle concept as far as it did and further than any other electric vehicle
project attempted by any other automaker around the globe. Sadly, despite the
substantial investment of money and the enthusiastic fervor of a relatively
small number of EV1 drivers, the EV1 proved far from a viable commercial
success.

The good news for electric car enthusiasts is that although the EV1 program did
not continue, both the technology and the GM engineers who developed it did. In
fact, the technology is very much alive, has been improved and carried forward
into the next generation of low emission and zero emission vehicles that are
either on the road, in development or just coming off the production line. As a
matter of fact, on Nov. 28 at the Los Angeles Auto Show, GM Chairman and CEO
Rick Wagoner announced that GM’s Saturn brand intends to produce a VUE Green
Line plug-in electric/gasoline hybrid vehicle that will use a modified version
of GM’s 2-mode hybrid system.

More amazing discoveries regarding alternative fuel vehicles are on the way from
GM. To learn more about the EV1 and all it has inspired, visit
onlyGM.com/electric.

General Motors recently announced the Chevrolet Volt concept electric vehicle.
The Volt, for most daily commutes, could nearly eliminate going to the gas
station altogether and greatly reduce tailpipe emissions. It employs GM’s new
E-flex system, which is a flexible propulsion system that produces electricity
and fits into a common chassis. Its on-board generator is capable of converting
and storing electricity from energy carriers such as hydrogen, gasoline, E85,
bio-diesel and diesel.

The E-flex system is being developed for production intent. Core engineering
and manufacturing feasibility studies are underway. However, we are not making
a production announcement, nor will we predict when the Chevrolet Volt will come
to market. Battery technology is maturing quickly. Consequently, we are
accelerating engineering development of the E-flex technology, which will enable
us to take advantage of advances in batteries as they occur. When the battery
is ready, we will be, too. Visit Electric Car: Chevrolet Volt: Chevrolet for more
information.

If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message or
call our General Motors Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-762-2737. Customer
Relationship Specialists are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to
11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

General Motors supports Buckle Up America. We encourage you, your family and
your friends to always Buckle Up.

Again, thank you for contacting General Motors.

Sincerely,

The General Motors Consumer Support Team


what a bunch of crap huh? the people who drove these cars LOVED them and fought to keep them.. but what did GM do? CRUSHED them, brand new cars. people even raised OVER 1 million dollars to buy 70 of the vehicles that were going to be crushed.. GM sold out and crushed the cars anyway...
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Old 02-07-2007, 10:37 PM
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GM definitely blew it, but by the sound of their reply email to you, it seems like since that point in time, and the release of this video, for whatever reason, they are releasing a saturn plug-in hybrid. At least they make it look like they care which is better than them ignoring your email or sending you a generic, no comment type of reply. I see any company thats releasing a new plug-in hybrid as moving in the right direction. Now lets see them offer it for sale this time instead of just a lease.
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