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Old 02-10-2007, 11:21 AM
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here we go... bush does it again.

ethanol as we all know is not the answer, the enviromental impact in producing and burning of this fuel is far to negative to be used as a serious replacement for gas.

ALTERNATIVE fuel such as electric cars, solar power, hydro, wind, etc.. is what is needed for our future. why won't he place higher gas mileage standards on vehicles?!?!?
bush's ties to the oil companies are well known, and it appears that is affecting his judgement once again...
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Why Climate Change issues won't be solved by Politicians or Capitalism
Liberals and Conservatives demonstrate hypocrisy on redressing Global Warming
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It was widely panned for allowing emissions to continue to rise until 2020.
In a 2002 fundraising letter, Mr. Harper questioned the science of climate change, calling it “tentative and contradictory” and ridiculed the Kyoto Accord as a money-sucking “socialist scheme.” In a speech delivered later that year, Mr. Harper told fellow Conservatives that “as economic policy the Kyoto Accord is a disaster. As environmental policy it is a fraud.”
With such “enlightening” insights that Harper has provided for us, let’s look at the Liberal-Conservative “Greenwash” that has engulfed the nation in the past few months in a dick measuring contest between these two unfit participants.
Liberal Inaction
The Liberals have been on the defensive since the Conservative attack ads have shed light on the Liberals inability to make the changes necessary to curb global warming and reduce pollution. Their website cites that in 2000 the Liberal government announced a $500 million five year action plan to reduce greenhouse gases (GHG) by 65 megatonnes each year. The 65 megatonnes seems like quite a bit, unless one actually reads what Canada’s reporting facilities cite as their GHG emissions, which is at 280 megatonnes according to Environment Canada. What becomes even more interesting is that these are only the reporting facilities, which comprise one-third (37%) of Canada’s total GHG causing industries for 2005. While these reports may not be entirely accurate, Environment Canada’s best estimation as to the source of GHG emissions come from the following breakdown of industries: 44% Utilities sector, 32% Manufacturing, 18% Mining, Oil, and Gas extraction and 5% as other. When one compares this with the corporate subsidies over the past few years of the oil and gas sector at $40 billion that both Conservative and Liberal governments are responsible for, $500 million over five years seems like a pittance.
Traitors among Us is a book for further reading on this subject.
In addition to this, the Pembina Institute, an Alberta-based environmental group, has estimated that federal tax breaks for Canada’s oil and gas industry are worth $1.4-billion a year. The institute has said the oil sands receive a significant share of those tax breaks but exact figures are impossible to find. Moreover, the oil sands continue to be a significant source of GHG emissions. The disparity between GHG emitting industries such as oil and gas who receive tax breaks and the money set aside to fight GHG emissions is massive. Despite this, GHG emissions are not the entire problem, often overlooked is the pollution caused by these industries that go farther then just carbon emissions.


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Hey Workinman,

As an answer to the "why?", Bush (and unfortunately every politician) does what he has to do. He says "we're addicted to oil" and "biofuels and ethanol" only when all the evidence sways the voters. Last presidential election, environment was not even on the radar. Now, people are hearing it every day. The Republicans seeking reelection must show a willingness to support alternative energy since the "we don't have an energy problem" line no longer works.

If only politicians could be leaders instead of followers.
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It's almost too late for the politicians to care anymore. The damage has been done.

What's the term for the cleanup after the disaster? That's what this seems to be.

It's not going to work I don't think.
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Old 03-28-2007, 04:42 PM
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I am All generations star trek fan. This will also give you an idea of my ideal society in many ways but not all. To the point; I recall an episode where the character, Data in The NGeneration was playing some video game with an alien (Kolrami) strategist know to be the best and master at "the game", called strategema. Data is an Android for anyone not familar with the series.( like who isn't to some degree of separation). Data was beaten rapidly and soundly in a head to head, man against machine competition; confounding the mechanical man with his inability to resolve a victory on the premise of infallibility.

If you make no mistakes;how can you fail to achieve your objective. After some mechanistic soul searching and soul sharing with his human compatriots; the rematch was struck and the place appointed. The game begins; Several moments passed and numbers rack up as level after level of the game is breached as fingers flail wildly moving pieces on a holographic board and suddenly the Master finally throws down his game gloves with a disgusted exclamation and storms away from the field muttering angrily. The game was a complete tie. Data explained that he lost the first game because he was playing to win against a clearly superior opponent. He further offerred that he simply altered the premise for playing the game. In fighting to achieve a tie; he explained that he was able to seek alternatives he would not have considered if seeking the equal goal of the master which was, to win. The master relenting in frustration at the perceived insult was a forfeit and albeit; still a tie, it is a moral victory if nothing more.

what we are asking for may require a complete restructuring of global resource management, economics and human purpose. should take until the 24th century; best estimate. The rules have been laid down for thousands of years. I hope we have time but I doubt our descendant can wait long and I know peoples today who can't.

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Hey Workinman,

As an answer to the "why?", Bush (and unfortunately every politician) does what he has to do. He says "we're addicted to oil" and "biofuels and ethanol" only when all the evidence sways the voters. Last presidential election, environment was not even on the radar. Now, people are hearing it every day. The Republicans seeking reelection must show a willingness to support alternative energy since the "we don't have an energy problem" line no longer works.

If only politicians could be leaders instead of followers.
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Old 03-28-2007, 06:51 PM
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good analogy simon.. i remember that episode.. i am also a trekkie at heart and spend much of my younger years day dreaming about that possible future of mankind and how i longed to be part of it...
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The thing I always liked about Star Trek was their premise that Earth was damaged – but eventually regenerated and become a beautiful place again. That’s what I am hoping for.

And yes, we do need to change our thinking, change our tactics, change our approach entirely … literally ‘thinking outside the box’ if we are to turn the tide against us here.

That is, if it is even possible anymore.
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above all; the premise of Star Trek was that mankind was flawed and damaged it and that the challenge was no longer; material gain but rather self/species improvement which still lead some to old habits of mankind. That was starfleet and humans, since, there were plenty of creatures in the galaxy that were analogous to the many different aspects of us either at our worst or our best. Such is the anthropocentric nature of man that all the universe must be as we view it. Like westerners that can't imagine why easterners don't want our way of life the way we like it.

Keep in mind too that the ST premise also was supported by tremendous technollogical leaps we can only theorize today which Star Trek as a series has been noted to be responsible for many modern tech evolutions in the past 30 years as science fiction has for generations. Dare to dream. Make it so.

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The thing I always liked about Star Trek was their premise that Earth was damaged – but eventually regenerated and become a beautiful place again. That’s what I am hoping for.

And yes, we do need to change our thinking, change our tactics, change our approach entirely … literally ‘thinking outside the box’ if we are to turn the tide against us here.

That is, if it is even possible anymore.
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what?! u mean that the rest of the universe DOESN'T speak english?!?!
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Can the damage be reversed? I'm not sure that it can, but sometimes, it can. This is what I remember reading in different places.

It's kind of like smoking. You damage your lungs, however, when you quit, the damage is repaired, but not all of it can be.

Are we facing a situation similar to that? Will we find that only some of the damage can be repaired?

Maybe we'll never know.
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