[clausandrup]

You, my friend, are so right that it all but makes my eyes water.

Thanks.

[horselover]

I understand. And no problem.

[cats3]

Clausandrup: You may have made great points...however, it is hard for me (and perhaps others as well) to read light gray type on white background.
Could you perhaps use darker colors next time?

I agree that it is quite a challenge to be an optimist while the bodies in morgues pile up. However, any day above ground is a good day (if you get my drift).

In my case, where relatives were murdered in a genocide, the fact that I am here with a kid means we won. We were not all wiped out. Life is the best revenge.

[Dogma]

"Why did Bush start the war? Part of it was because of 9/11. BUT I think there's more to it. He's a power hungry person OF power who can do what he wants. He also likes to be in the spotlight.

Sure, Bin Laden crashed a few planes and killed a few thousand people. I don't think his men were thinking about their families when they did what they did."

This is what bothered me. Perhaps you should think about how public this forum is and realize that there are people on here are that are still hurting from 9/11. True you may speak your mind all you want. True I don't have to read. As I ahve said before, I've been to the funeral services. I've smelled the smoke. I woke up that morning with thee towers in tact and then for months woke up to their absence. I consider myself lucky for waking up... The men who crashed those planes knew exactly what they were doing. Not only that, but remember there were families on those planes with them... To say that starting a war after for his own gain is a bold statement and incredibly insensitive. the war was originally declaired on terrorism, Iraq was the after thought. Every one has problems with the war with Iraq, even I agree to that. Its only been 5 years. 9/11 ... People are making movies, the rest of the world is moving on. Not here. So to make a statement like that is hurtful. My complaining that I am the only republican was simply a request for others to be angry with me. Egh I'm 22 I'm rash and arrogant at times. whatever.

[Dogma]

PS - "To say that starting a war after for his own gain is a bold statement and incredibly insensitive." that refers to starting the 'war on terror' for his own gain.... I won't get into Iraq.

[Dogma]

furthermore... (sorry I just can't help myself...) I believe it is one of our biggest faults to over look the things that bother us. Children dying in Africa, sad. NEXT. Environment slowly decaying before our eyes, oops. Next.
If anything letting this comment go, where the author belittled a massive event and was blantantly ignorant of some important issues, is indicative of the apathetic nature we have all come to embrace... So it wasn't my last comment, but you guys were asking for my answers.

I could have embraced my youthfulness and called out names or been nasty. I really wasn't being mean. I was in essence saying "shut up". If you made that comment in NY you would have been lucky if that's all people did. PS again it was the first time I read the conflict thing and I liked it...

[workinman]

feelings over 9/11 are definatly still a little too fresh in some of our minds. that is a day i will never forget and remember like it happened yesterday. what bin laden did to those people.. civilians.. is inexcuseable and waging war on him and his little organization was, in my eyes, justified...
now as to wether Bush has strayed from his course or not is definatly debateable. i hope that at first he did set out to do what he promised and rid the world of terrorism.. lately with the mess in iraq sometimes i get the feeling that he may have been blowing a little smoke in our eyes.
i am a patriot, i love my country, joined the army right outta highschool and would die for her still today. but i do believe that things aren't going the way they should be and i pray that bush or the next guy try to get us back on track...

[horselover]

Workinman: Well said.

Dogma: While I may be Canadian, I don't live very far from N.Y.C. I woke up on 9/11 and was supposed to have the worst person in my life leave me for good. When the news came in about the plane crashes and the airports closing down, this person called me and told me he wasn't leaving. I thought, sh!t, more torture from this ba$tard.

I was in shock when I realized exactly what happened. I watched every newscast, and saved every photo and article from the papers on the WTC crashes. And I"M insensitive?

Bush started a war against TERRORISM, not IRAQ, yet it has shifted focus to exactly that. The war on terrorism shouldn't have lasted very long if Bush had smartened up and found Bin Laden. Now that the focus has shifted to Iraq, even more innocent lives are being lost. Don't you think that should stop?? Do you think Bush should continue killing more innocent people?

Put it this way: Bush is GUILTY of MASS MURDER and he's getting away with it! Saddam Hussein is finally getting his, yet Bush gets to do what he wants to and get away with murder. It needs to stop, and it might have if someone else had been elected.

Why couldn't Bush blow up a few things and be done with it? My opinion? He's selfish. He's sending men and women into battle. He doesn't stop to think about the families left behind, possibly forever. Some soldiers dies, so he sends more out to replace them. Bin Laden didn't do that. Bin Laden didn't send more men out to bomb more U.S places, so why should Bush be killing more people? From what I remember, approximately 5,000 people died that day, yet the death toll from this war has risen over the 100,000 mark.

Doesn't Bush think that's enough? Obviously NOT!!

Bush is spending more resources on fighting than he should. Hmmmm... 5 years and Bin Laden hasn't been found? Why? Wasted resources! Use the manpower to find Bin Laden! Makes sense to me. It's not just the wasted resources. It's the fact that the focus has shifted to other things. If Bush had continued to stay focused on capturing Bin Laden, he may have just done so without so much death and bloodshed.


Hey, if I didn't care, I wouldn't question what's going on in the world. If I didn't care, 9/11 would have just been a normal day for me. I don't care about war, but if I didn't care, I wouldn't be fustrated at Bush for starting and continuing this war.

I just want it to end. Bush needs to now focus on the citizens of the country he runs. He shouldn't be focusing on world issues as much when his citizens are suffering from his lack of attention. Does that make sense?

[cats3]

On 9/11, I kissed my son goodbye and sent him on the bus to school.
Shortly thereafter, my husband called and said check out what's on TV!
I really couldn't believe what I was seeing on the screen, so I drove to a hill not far away, and stood there along with a group of onlookers and watched lower Manhattan up in flames and billowing smoke. My neighbors and friends were in those buildings! Some survived.

I personally went through a lot of emotional turmoil related to 9/11.

Look, war/political mismanagement or deliberate mismanagement for financial gain/innocents dying, etc etc is all a part of environmental degradation...

It's all woven together but it's still the same issue.
The way out of despair is action - to whatever degree one is able.
Action = empowerment

[cats3]

I think it's ok to love one's country, but that doesn't mean one has to agree with everything the government does. Disagreement does not equal lack of patriotism...

The fact that I can even freely write this says something about where I live.