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Old 01-23-2007, 08:44 AM
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My name is Pranab Jyoti Ghosh, I am an Indian physics graduate and myself have theoretically developed a technology on producing energy without any kind of fuel. This technology is about producing energy by extracting heat from atmosphere. This technology is a combination of processes that are well tested and now in use in different industries and research projects. I have done everything that I can do by myself. But for further advance, I need financial and technical assistance. I specifically want to make a virtual prototype by using data from different experiments that I have collected from different industries and research projects and after that get a patent and start licensing this technology. Those who are reading this message, other than the venture capitalists, are requested to guide me to persons, organizations, institutes and others, who can probably take interest in my work and will help me to make my idea a reality. I am assuring them that this project is just need to be made and improved. All the basic experiments had been already done successfully and enough data had been gathered. In short, it is a new and exciting kind of technology and as far as I know, nothing like this exists this day. Can anybody help me to make my idea a reality?
I have posted this idea on some blogsites and got responses like this. “Violating 2nd law of thermodynamics”, “impossible”, “the vapor produced will be instantly liquefied as soon as it will be released into normal pressure etc and other arguments like this. But, when I have replied them with my logic and put before them the experimental results, there will be no solid reply thereafter. Actually all the oppositions come from, in my opinion, from wrong interpretation of 2nd law of thermodynamics. In this explanation, heat embedded in atmosphere and ocean around us are part of entropy and trying to extracting the heat is trying to decrease the entropy of the universe and as per 2nd law, entropy always increases. But, this is not true, because machines that can extract atmospheric heat and capable of converting that into electricity had been invented long ago, before the birth of Christ. Long ago (nearly 500 B.C), Chinese people invented a toy that extracts heat energy from the atmosphere and turns that into motion. Though I called it a toy, because it was never used for production purpose. But according to the terminologies of physics, it is an engine, because it converts one type of energy (heat) into other type of energy (motion). In fact, it is a thermodynamic engine. You will find the description of that toy on books on popular science. So, at least there is one example that atmospheric energy can be extracted and turn into motion energy. I think it is enough to prove the basic scientific feasibility of my work. In spite of that, if somebody still complaining that my project violates second law of thermodynamics. Then I am requesting him to calculate the entropy of my project. None have tried that yet, because I am sure that if they do so, they certainly will find that at the end of the process, entropy of the universe has increased, instead of decreased as they want he result to prove that this technology violates 2nd law of thermodynamics.
For the readers understanding, I am giving here a zest of the technology. This project is aimed at producing electricity by using the vast heat content of atmosphere. The scheme is basically aimed as producing electricity by extracting heat from atmosphere. In this project, this is done by using mechanical arrangement similar to heat pump. This system is used to squeeze energy from huge volumes of air and to produce temperature difference by which energy can be produced. It is to be noted that fresh water and salt are added bonus to this project, as salty brackish water can be used in this project. This is done by vaporizing water inside an enclosed container named “Evaporator” with the help of a vacuum pump. As the vacuum pump sucks air from the container, the water inside began to evaporate and in this process collects its latent heat of vaporization from water. For that reason, the water inside becomes colder and heat began to flow in from outside. Thus in effect, the latent heat of vaporization of water is collected from outside atmosphere. In the open-cycle OTEC, vapor is produced in the same manner and on experiment it was found that to have vapor flow rate of 1 kg/sec, power needed at the vacuum pump is 3 KW. Whereas, the latent heat embedded in 1 kg of vapor is 2.31 MW. After the vapor is produced, it is heated further with adiabatically compressed, hot air. After heating the vapor in the Boiler, the hot, compressed air is passed through the Evaporator to give up its residue heat to the water inside. The process is the same as that of common heat pumps sold in the market. And finally, the temp. diff. between the Boiler and the Condenser is created by suddenly releasing the compressed air at the Condenser. And thus a system of real efficiency of >50% is created.
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Address: 153/10/C, S.N.Roy Rd., Kol – 38, West Bengal, India
Telephone: 91-33-24031885
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:23 AM
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As they say; Publish or perish.

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Old 01-23-2007, 11:39 PM
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Can we harness the different pressures of the ocean?
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:56 AM
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Not pressure diff., but temp. diff. of diff. layers of ocean can be harnessed and experimentation has began long ago. Just google on "open cycle OTEC" and you will get a lot of information.
I just don't understand why Simon47 put the proverb at the end of his message. Please don't take me as someone like Joseph Newman or others. I haven't posted my message here for "fishing".
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Don't let other peoples limitations become your highest expectations. Are you talking about that? It's called a signature. It will show up on any posting he does. Just like mine shows up.
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Old 01-26-2007, 01:20 PM
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I'l like to know more about the technical aspects of what you are talking about. Can you detail the process a bit more? From reading that it seems like you would need some energy to run your process like the vacuum pump and heating water with compressed hot air. The thought occurs to me that the process would need to produce more energy than required for the vacuum pump and the heated compressed air. Are you sure it could do this?
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Old 01-17-2009, 01:22 AM
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If somebody want to know about this technology in some more detail, kindly contact me personally at my e-mail address mentioned above. I will hand him/her over necessary data after he/she agreed to sign an NDA.
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I commented on public radio the other day regarding a book that was being released called "The Alchemy of Air" .It disecribed Nirogen fixation from atmospheric Nitrogen, as possible based on a jewish researcher from prewwI germany. This fixed nitrogen is according to the author a major source for fertilizer used in Agriculture. Although the discussion didn't follow my thread, I was mentioning the unique blue-tec process's used by BMW and Mercedes to recover exhaust waste into water and nitrogen.
It is important to remember certain non-standard reactions are not anomilys, and due to the magnitude of the reactions should be considered at higher values of importance relative to generalized rules. Reactions focused on H2O will display unique results. Like water expands just before freezing(3'C I think), unlike other stuff which continues to solidify wothout expansion, and the heat required to trasition into a gas is something like 540 calories per gram of water per degree. As opposed to the typical 80 calories per degree up to that point. If processes utilize these unique properties then transitional energy may be stored or utilized at non-typical(non standard rates) rates that would/could/should reflect unique opportunities for research like yours.
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