[tater03]

I was just wondering why you don't hear so much about the pollution in our oceans? I would think that they are quite polluted but you really don't hear a lot about it. Do you all think that this is important also? I would think that pollution in our oceans would be harmful to us and the enviroment.

[Simon47]

Try a google Search. You will get the heebee geebies and fear will wretch you when you sink your teeth into your next Cod fillet.

If you aren't hearing about the pollution and other factors affecting our oceans then you need to listen and look more closely. I recommend a search of past messages in this Community to start with since there have been some good ones.

Let's understand one simple point; If it pollutes any part of the planet it pollutes the oceans, if it affects any part of the ecosystem it effects the oceans and vice versa. Don't take my word for it.

It is like a human being that gets blood poisoning. Once the blood is affected or infected the survival of the orgnism is unlikely without radical intervention. It begins to affect the organs and then the tissues and before you know it there is a complete systemic collapse and toxic shock kills the patient.

I hope people will begin to understand that the Earth, singularly and independantly is an organism. Just like the human body is host to a diversity of life, systems and processes; so is the earth. Factors that affect the parts, also impact the whole. Never before have we realized the intimacy with which the parts interact. it is an intricate web of life and it's string are being cut; one by one.


Not picking on you Tater but I come across articles every day on the Oceans. Pollution in the oceans is harmful to us and it is even more apparent perhaps that WE are harmful to them.

overfishing and poor ocean management
toxic waste dumping
ocean going vessels pump bilge on reefs
ships sink and spill contents
pesticide and pollution runoff kills ocean habitat
climate change and smog raise ocean temps
warmer oceans affect phytoplankton
ocean currents and natural cycles affecting weather patterns
acid rain
war spills pollution everywhere
scorched earth policy by Iraq pollutes gulf
Exxon Valdez and countless other disasters
New Orleans washes out to sea

How can the ocean hope to survive. Each issue has a far greater consequence than it's immediate effect on ocean life and ocean cycles.

Good Luck

Sim

Originally Posted by tater03

I was just wondering why you don't hear so much about the pollution in our oceans? I would think that they are quite polluted but you really don't hear a lot about it. Do you all think that this is important also? I would think that pollution in our oceans would be harmful to us and the enviroment.

[tater03]

Thanks for the information. I was just more stating that you don't see it as part of the news on tv as much. I have seen articles on this forum and others but it just doesn't seem to be as prevelant on special concerning the enviroment of tv. Thanks again.

[Simon47]

Happy to offer. I understand and see the point you make. Co2 emissions have dominated the stage since the IPCC debates and the release of Inconvenient Truth and Who Killed the Electric Car among other poignant and relevant propagandas. Fortunately for the people there are all manner of little groups like ours that can point out and draw attention to aspects that might be neglected in all the fuss. So...Thank you for raising the ocean???

If you are interested it definitely serves well to understand the dynamic role that both forests and oceans play in the atmoshperic equilibria that supports life on this planet and permits the life and other natural processes to work. Yet; we dump in our oceans and clearcut the forests, clog the air and contaminate the fresh water, fill in swamps and drain the bogs. What do we think was going to happen?

We cannot deny the impact we have had on the planet and that the effects will be lasting from a human perspective and may even be irrovacable. It is certain that the current state of the environment can be defined as increasingly toxic to animal life. We are the out of control organism which by it's nature and predilection is producing exotoxins sufficient to alter it's environment. Anyone can rest assured that what we do to one aspect of the environment will have a consequence to the whole.

Sim

Originally Posted by tater03

Thanks for the information. I was just more stating that you don't see it as part of the news on tv as much. I have seen articles on this forum and others but it just doesn't seem to be as prevelant on special concerning the enviroment of tv. Thanks again.

[travelforever]

I have a place on the Mediterranean Sea and everytime it storms, you won´t believe what is washed up. The freighters are still dumping their garbage especially plastic bottles at sea. With any storm, they wash a shore including plastic wrap and the plastic that holds a six pack of soda together.

I always thought that this was an international law to curtail all ships from dumping...but they are so far out at sea, how does one know if they comply.

[atula]

Here in India the biggest problem is the hindu festivals when we are required to submerge the idols of gods and godesses in a water body...the seas and oceans are actually contaminated in hundreds during that time, when idols made of plaster of paris, the paint, etc get into the water...

[Timetrvlr]

It's not likely anyone will be able to stop religious rituals nor should they. I don't think plaster of Paris is much of a contaminant and I assume the paints are somewhat toxic but people could be persuaded to use non-toxic paints and decorations.

I think the abhorrent practices of dumping plastics at sea is one of the worst scenarios. How do we stop that practice?

[tater03]

I don't know how you would control the dumping of plastic and trash by the ships way out to sea. Maybe the satellites would pick that up but I am sure that they don't watch for that. I feel that if they are caught there should be some harsh punishment be it fines suspension of their shipping license or something.

[Simon47]

This is a discussion that is prominant and of curse we must consider the environment in our celebrations. Perhaps St.Patrick will only be the cause of a green river and not dying fish since they changed the dye they use to green the river. Natural products are safer.

Perhaps; since in the old days of the Hindu celebration it was that dolls were made of clay and painted with natural dyes and paints and perhaps even less people in those days kept contamination down; it demonstrates an opportunity for worshippers to return to at least one small traditional way that serves well.

Originally Posted by atula

Here in India the biggest problem is the hindu festivals when we are required to submerge the idols of gods and godesses in a water body...the seas and oceans are actually contaminated in hundreds during that time, when idols made of plaster of paris, the paint, etc get into the water...

[debrajean]

Originally Posted by Simon47

Try a google Search. You will get the heebee geebies and fear will wretch you when you sink your teeth into your next Cod fillet.

If you aren't hearing about the pollution and other factors affecting our oceans then you need to listen and look more closely. I recommend a search of past messages in this Community to start with since there have been some good ones.

Let's understand one simple point; If it pollutes any part of the planet it pollutes the oceans, if it affects any part of the ecosystem it effects the oceans and vice versa. Don't take my word for it.

It is like a human being that gets blood poisoning. Once the blood is affected or infected the survival of the orgnism is unlikely without radical intervention. It begins to affect the organs and then the tissues and before you know it there is a complete systemic collapse and toxic shock kills the patient.

I hope people will begin to understand that the Earth, singularly and independantly is an organism. Just like the human body is host to a diversity of life, systems and processes; so is the earth. Factors that affect the parts, also impact the whole. Never before have we realized the intimacy with which the parts interact. it is an intricate web of life and it's string are being cut; one by one.


Not picking on you Tater but I come across articles every day on the Oceans. Pollution in the oceans is harmful to us and it is even more apparent perhaps that WE are harmful to them.

overfishing and poor ocean management
toxic waste dumping
ocean going vessels pump bilge on reefs
ships sink and spill contents
pesticide and pollution runoff kills ocean habitat
climate change and smog raise ocean temps
warmer oceans affect phytoplankton
ocean currents and natural cycles affecting weather patterns
acid rain
war spills pollution everywhere
scorched earth policy by Iraq pollutes gulf
Exxon Valdez and countless other disasters
New Orleans washes out to sea

How can the ocean hope to survive. Each issue has a far greater consequence than it's immediate effect on ocean life and ocean cycles.

Good Luck

Sim

You have stated exactly what everyone needs to hear and in a forthright way, now if people would just listen. Thank you.